Vanessa(KOFXI)
Vanessa ヴァネッサ | |
Tiers & Ranking | |
Tier: | B |
Ratio Cost: | 4 Points |
Properties | |
Damage Modifier: | 1.02 |
Stun Modifier: | 1.02 |
Crouch height (Tier): | C |
Quick Guide
- Vanessa is a very difficult to master, highly technical character that has extremely fast and unpredictable movement and unorthodox pressure strings.
- She is a great starter for shift combos since both 41236P and 236236P have massive hit stun, which can enable back-turned combos.
- She generally has bad defense, with no good pokes to break free from pressure and sub-par reversal options.
- She is usually played as a point character for her shift synergy and as a battery, or as a Leader for long corner juggles.
Neutral
- Vanessa uses 236 & 214B/D to move around quickly and to remain unpredictable in her approach.
- To finally approach, use the very strong smalljump B, normal j.A (no hurtbox on her hand) or normal / small j.D.
Offense
- Once close, use early smalljump j.C for instant overheads mixed with 2B>6A>214P sway strings.
- Using repeated sway cancel after heavy attacks, particularly 2D, 5C and (cancel)6A is the key for applying pressure to the opponent with Vanessa
- BnB Combo example: (2B>)2B>6A>214P(sway)>link 41236P. Note that the combo becomes very hard as soon as you have super meter, since you will often get an accidental 2141236P instead, which can be avoided by max delaying the motion input for 41236P.
- Damage Combo example: anything into 5C, then [4],6A into any juggle.
Defense
- Vanessa does not have any good normals to stop smalljump pressure - her only useful anti-air is 2C, which needs to be done well in advance, and on a guess.
- 3B can be used as an anti-air since it low profiles, but it leads to almost no damage and is very unsafe on block.
- Her 236236P only has invulnerability during startup - it sometimes works as a reversal, but will often just trade or not hit at all. It is also too slow to work against safe jumps. On the upside, it allows for shift combos and dreamcancel, which makes it a strong super to land.
- Her 214P / 236K / 214K all have invulnerability and can be used as reverals, which should be used as much as possible midscreen (since you can escape with 214B/D).
Colors
A | B | C | D |
R1 + | R1 + | R1 + | R1 + |
E+A | E+B | E+C | E+D |
L1 + | L1 + | L1 + | L1 + |
Start+A | Start+B | Start+C | Start+D |
Frame Data
Note: all advantage/disadvantage numbers need to be revised, they are likely ~1 frame off.
Normals
Frame Data for 214P/236B Cancels
Input | BLK | HIT | Note |
---|---|---|---|
2D>236B | -2 | KD | Useful. |
2C>236B | -2 | -2 | 4C after triggers a throw OS. |
leichter Angriff>214P | minus | minus | should not be used. |
5C(C)>214P | +5 | +5 | |
5C(f)>214P | +7? | +7? | high pushback on hit, but works as kara cancel. |
2B>6A>214P | +5 | +5 | important for combos |
2C>214P | +5 | +5 | |
5D>214P | +5 | +5 | |
2D>214P | +5 | KD | good for Pressure |
5E>214P | +5 | KD | |
236B>6A>214P | +5 | KD | good for Pressure / Conversion |
Special Attributes & Bugs
- Vanessa has no throw invulnerability during her GC-Roll.
- Vanessa has NO throw invulnerability after getting up from a knockdown - she can be thrown immediately upon recovering. Note: it is currently unclear whether this is tourney-banned, but it likely is.
- Vanessa's 5C(c) cannot be saving shifted (first hit only). (Thanks, kofxi_bot!)
- Vanessa can loop her 623C infinitely in the corner. The maximum allowed 623C inputs are 5 (= 4 loops) for tournaments and casual play
Combos
- 2B,6A, 214A, link C(c)(2 hits), [4],6A, j.CD: bnb, this is also the default "command"-combo
- 2B,6A, 214A, link C(c)(2 hits), [4],6A, delay 2C, 214K-6C: Corner version of the BnB.
- 2B,6A,214A, link C(c)(2 hits), (...6A,...) 41236P~, Quick Shift Quick Shift Setup.
- out of Quick Shift j.B or j.C,\/,C(f),[4],6A, [j.CD] or [hyperhop j.D,\/ 214K-6C]: Combo out of Quick Shift.
- after 6C: Quick Shift again
- Corner 623Cx5, 2C,214K-6C, [link 236236P]: [0-1 Super] Punishment-Combo, eg. for stun.
- Corner combo in [4],6A, 5A whiff, 5A>214B>6C, link 236236P: [1 Super] Source
Leader Combos
- midscreen combo in C(2 hits),6A,236236E, C(far, 2 hits), [4],6A cancel 236B, delay 2A,214D-6E cancel 236B, 236236P, shift out
- midscreen combo in C(2 hits),6A,236236E, [4],6A-236B,2A-214D-6C-236B-2C-236B (Crossup)...
- midscreen to corner combo in C(2 hits),6A,236236E, [4],6A, hyperhop delay j.D, land, 214B-6C cancel 236B-6C (1 hit) cancel 214B-6C cancel 623C....
- Corner Combo in [4],6A, 2A(whiff),2C,236236E, 214B-6C cancel 214D-6C cancel 236B, link 2C,214D-6C cancel 214B-6C cancel 623C, 623C x N, 2C,214B-6C, link 236236P, shift out
- Combo in 236236P, Dream Cancel 2. Hit in 236236E, C(far),[4],6A, link hyperhop j.D,\/,214B-6C cancel 236B-C cancel erster Hit 214B-6C cancel 623C, 623C x 5 etc.
- Reset Setup: corner juggle in 2C>236236E, 214B-6C cancel 214D-6C cancel 236B, link 2C,236B-6C (guard crush),236B, 2B>6A>214A, link 5C(1)... Source: TORU
Team Combos
Vanessa > Oswald
BnB
- Midscreen Vanessa j.C,\/,C(2),6A(1),623A(1), QS Oswald, j.A/D,\/,walk forward, 5D(c),3A,214C,...
- 236C,214B, Okizeme [1 Shift Stock]
- Shift back to Vanessa j.D>5C(2)... [2 Shift Stocks]
- Corner Vanessa j.C,\/,C(2),[4]-6A,2C,214B-6C, QS Oswald, 3A,214B, delay 236C,214B, Okizeme. [1 Shift Stock]
Midscreen
- Midscreen Vanessa j.C,\/,C(2),[4],6A, hyperhop j.D,\/,214B-6C QS Oswald, 3A,214D,236A,214B, Okizeme [1 Shift Stock]
- Vanessa midscreen combo in 236236C, shift out after 2-3 Hits, Oswald lands behind opponent, D(c),214C,236D,236A(whiff), turn around 3A, 214D, (corner) delay 236C,214B, Okizeme.
- Vanessa midscreen combo in 236236C, shift out after 2-3 Hits, Oswald lands behind opponent, delay 3A,214A,236B,236E (Ace). Only works with sufficient distance to the corner.
- Vanessa midscreen combo in 41236P, shift out after 3 hits, Oswald lands behind opponent, then any ender from above.
Corner
- Corner Vanessa Combo in [4],6A,2A (whiff),2C-214B-6C, QS Oswald 3A,214B,236A,214B, Okizeme [1 Shift Stock]
- Corner Vanessa Combo in [4],6A,2A (whiff),2C-214B-6C, QS Oswald 3A,214B, link 2363214A, shift out after 2 hits, Vanessa j.D,\/,C,[4]6A,2A(whiff),2C-214B-6C, opponent is stunned[2 Shift Stocks, 1 Super]
- Vanessa corner Leader combo > 623C x N, 623C shift out Oswald, backdash, 3A,236B,236A,236B,236E (ACE)
- Vanessa corner Leader combo > 236236C shift out Oswald j.C,\/,3A,236B,236A,236B,236E (ACE)
Other
- Cornered Vanessa j.C,\/,C(2),[4],6A, hyperhop j.D,\/,214B-6C QS Oswald, 3A,delay 214C,236B-236E: [1 Shift Stock] Ace Setup. Alternative to the combo above.
- Corner Crossup combo: Vanessa corner combo in 236236P, QS Oswald, D(c)(crossup). Note: The combo only works if D(c) is put in once Oswald has landed, otherwise a j.D (whiff) > D(c) is triggered and the Corner Crossup doesn't work. The time frame to shift the 3rd hit and still get the 5D to combo is 10F.
- another corner crossup combo: Vanessa combo into 41236P mash, QS Oswald, D(C) (crossup).
Oswald > Vanessa
Midscreen
- Oswald midscreen combo into 214C, QS Vanessa, j.C/j.B,\/,walk forward,C(2), then:
- 236236P
- 6P>41236P or 623A
- 6P>236236E>C(f),[4]-6A,....
Corner
- Oswald corner combo into 2363214A, on 2nd Hit QS Vanessa j.D,\/,C....
- Oswald corner combo into 214C(2),236C QS Vanessa j.B/C/D, sofort 236236E, 214B-6C etc
- Oswald corner combo into 214C(2),236C QS Vanessa \/,2C sofort 236236E, 214B-6C etc
- Oswald corner combo into 214C(1),236A QS Vanessa \/,2C sofort 236263E, 214B-6C etc
- Oswald cornered, combo into 214C>236A(whiff), turn around 3A,214B,214C QS Vanessa,\/,2C,236236E, 214B-6C etc
Strategy
- 2D is a great poke and should always be canceled into 214P or 214/236K.
- j.B is an excellent Air-to-Air and also works as a jump-in.On whiff, immediately use 214K to escape.
- To avoid saving shift on a stunned opponent, use 214[P] > 6P for the uppercut > 236B...
Okizeme
- Meaty 2D>214P sway: safe against reversals due to the whiff cancel.
- Combo into [4],6A, smalljump delay j.D,\/, dash, then 5C(c) left/right of the opponent (unsafe vs Reversals & Rolls also work against it)
- After Corner Combo in 623C Loop > 2A(whiff) > 2C(hit) > 214B-6C, link 5C(1)>214P(whiff)>meaty 5C: Vanessa is +1 (trades with Kula's 5C(c)).
Links
Japanese Vanessa-Wiki
Vanessa-Wiki from Hartheon
Urasia vs Tori Part 1
Urasia vs Tori Part 2
Urasia vs Tori Part 3
Urasia vs Tori, differently cut (same matches?)
Tori, Vanessa with Malin as Leader
Tori @ 2011 Nationals
Tori, newer tourney, tori's dramatic demise
probably BZR @ kohatsu, january 2018
BZR visiting port24, 2019, part 1
BZR visiting port 24, also, TORI, 2019, part 2
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